Comments for Jack Yan: the Persuader Blog http://jackyan.com/blog Branding, leadership, typography, marketing and the media Thu, 18 Mar 2010 03:33:44 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 Comment on The rise of the city brand by En Avant » Blog Archive » Vista Group likes Donovan, but hates Wellywood http://jackyan.com/blog/2010/03/the-rise-of-the-city-brand/comment-page-1/#comment-603 En Avant » Blog Archive » Vista Group likes Donovan, but hates Wellywood Thu, 18 Mar 2010 03:33:44 +0000 http://jackyan.com/blog/?p=333#comment-603 [...] most definitely not.  Branding is about being distinctive. However, Jack’s argument that city identities are becoming more powerful than national ones was rejected by yours truly, who came dressed head-to-toe in black, New Zealand’s national [...] [...] most definitely not.  Branding is about being distinctive. However, Jack’s argument that city identities are becoming more powerful than national ones was rejected by yours truly, who came dressed head-to-toe in black, New Zealand’s national [...]

]]> Comment on The rise of the city brand by Jack Yan http://jackyan.com/blog/2010/03/the-rise-of-the-city-brand/comment-page-1/#comment-602 Jack Yan Wed, 17 Mar 2010 22:35:08 +0000 http://jackyan.com/blog/?p=333#comment-602 Jerry, I would love that. Maybe next time one of us is in the other’s country. My last time on US soil was so fleeting (seven hours waiting for the next plane at SFO). Jerry, I would love that. Maybe next time one of us is in the other’s country. My last time on US soil was so fleeting (seven hours waiting for the next plane at SFO).

]]> Comment on The rise of the city brand by Jerry Adames http://jackyan.com/blog/2010/03/the-rise-of-the-city-brand/comment-page-1/#comment-600 Jerry Adames Wed, 17 Mar 2010 21:33:55 +0000 http://jackyan.com/blog/?p=333#comment-600 Jack, its too bad you are so far away, I say, lets go get a drink together. Be well Jack. Jack, its too bad you are so far away, I say, lets go get a drink together. Be well Jack.

]]> Comment on The Downfall of ‘Wellywood’ by Jack Yan http://jackyan.com/blog/2010/03/the-downfall-of-wellywood/comment-page-1/#comment-597 Jack Yan Wed, 17 Mar 2010 11:33:42 +0000 http://jackyan.com/blog/?p=325#comment-597 Yep, that’s the sad part. Even sadder is the waste of ratepayers’ money on this: we are definitely footing part of the bill. Yep, that’s the sad part. Even sadder is the waste of ratepayers’ money on this: we are definitely footing part of the bill.

]]> Comment on The ‘Wellywood’ sign: people power gets things done by Jack Yan http://jackyan.com/blog/2010/03/the-wellywood-sign-people-power-gets-things-done/comment-page-1/#comment-594 Jack Yan Wed, 17 Mar 2010 08:31:04 +0000 http://jackyan.com/blog/?p=322#comment-594 Catherine, I don’t know where you got the “commercial” idea from, nor have I ever proclaimed any triumph. There will be one person proclaiming a triumph and that’s in the mayor’s office on October 6, after the election. Who that will be will be determined by a fair and democratic process.    The issues are simple: if people wanted this sign, I would have kept my mouth shut. As the majority of people didn’t, I acted. Either your future mayor adds to the hot air or (s)he does something. People are quick to condemn this, yet offer no alternative.    Read my post again: you have read in an allegedly selfish motivation all by yourself. It’s funny: I post a quick clarification—because I knew the story would suffer from rumour (the BBC story is, for example, quite far from the truth)—and people leap to their own conclusions anyway.    Also, there is no “dobbing”, a mistake that Nick (and a good deal of the media) made, too. That would presume there are two kids in the playground and I told the teacher. No: I went to one kid to tell her another kid took her toy.    Think about it: if I were a “politician” in the negative sense, I would <i>want</i> the sign to be erected so people like me could point at it and criticize Mayor Prendergast. If I were “commercial”, wouldn’t the successful erection of the sign be the best advertisement that my campaign could have?    Those who thought this sign was a good idea deserve criticism (‘insult’ is your word, and I hardly think I ever approached that level), for not running this by the public democratically and transparently.    I admire your candour and your thoughtful planning behind your comment (the smart quotes and en dash are nice touches), but less your reading of things that aren’t there. Every now and then, you will find people who act selflessly, and I am driven by my faith and beliefs on that. Sadly, politics is filled with many who are selfish, and I fully appreciate how that can colour our perceptions. Catherine, I don’t know where you got the “commercial” idea from, nor have I ever proclaimed any triumph. There will be one person proclaiming a triumph and that’s in the mayor’s office on October 6, after the election. Who that will be will be determined by a fair and democratic process.
   The issues are simple: if people wanted this sign, I would have kept my mouth shut. As the majority of people didn’t, I acted. Either your future mayor adds to the hot air or (s)he does something. People are quick to condemn this, yet offer no alternative.
   Read my post again: you have read in an allegedly selfish motivation all by yourself. It’s funny: I post a quick clarification—because I knew the story would suffer from rumour (the BBC story is, for example, quite far from the truth)—and people leap to their own conclusions anyway.
   Also, there is no “dobbing”, a mistake that Nick (and a good deal of the media) made, too. That would presume there are two kids in the playground and I told the teacher. No: I went to one kid to tell her another kid took her toy.
   Think about it: if I were a “politician” in the negative sense, I would want the sign to be erected so people like me could point at it and criticize Mayor Prendergast. If I were “commercial”, wouldn’t the successful erection of the sign be the best advertisement that my campaign could have?
   Those who thought this sign was a good idea deserve criticism (‘insult’ is your word, and I hardly think I ever approached that level), for not running this by the public democratically and transparently.
   I admire your candour and your thoughtful planning behind your comment (the smart quotes and en dash are nice touches), but less your reading of things that aren’t there. Every now and then, you will find people who act selflessly, and I am driven by my faith and beliefs on that. Sadly, politics is filled with many who are selfish, and I fully appreciate how that can colour our perceptions.

]]> Comment on The ‘Wellywood’ sign: people power gets things done by Catherine http://jackyan.com/blog/2010/03/the-wellywood-sign-people-power-gets-things-done/comment-page-1/#comment-592 Catherine Wed, 17 Mar 2010 07:06:57 +0000 http://jackyan.com/blog/?p=322#comment-592 Okay, so I don't like the idea of the Wellywood sign either but wow this is like it's a competition for you. The triumph at which you proclaim your 'victory' over Kerry Prendergast and the airport is lame and, to be honest, really immature. I get it that if the cards were dealt the other way that we would get pissed off and want something to happen about it but you're insulting the people who honestly thought this was a good idea. And it was, theoretically. Wellington has been informally called Wellywood for a while so the idea almost wrote itself it's just that New Zealanders are passed being a 'mini-America' and want to be original. Fair enough. I totally agree that the Wellywood sign is a bad idea. Just the way you said things makes the motivation behind dobbing the idea in wasn't in making people's voices heard but commercial purposes for you which is low - not a quality I want for my future Mayor. Okay, so I don’t like the idea of the Wellywood sign either but wow this is like it’s a competition for you. The triumph at which you proclaim your ‘victory’ over Kerry Prendergast and the airport is lame and, to be honest, really immature. I get it that if the cards were dealt the other way that we would get pissed off and want something to happen about it but you’re insulting the people who honestly thought this was a good idea. And it was, theoretically. Wellington has been informally called Wellywood for a while so the idea almost wrote itself it’s just that New Zealanders are passed being a ‘mini-America’ and want to be original. Fair enough. I totally agree that the Wellywood sign is a bad idea. Just the way you said things makes the motivation behind dobbing the idea in wasn’t in making people’s voices heard but commercial purposes for you which is low – not a quality I want for my future Mayor.

]]> Comment on The Downfall of ‘Wellywood’ by sometomcat http://jackyan.com/blog/2010/03/the-downfall-of-wellywood/comment-page-1/#comment-554 sometomcat Thu, 11 Mar 2010 10:47:42 +0000 http://jackyan.com/blog/?p=325#comment-554 IT would be a lot funnier if it were not true...I can assure you.....it is. IT would be a lot funnier if it were not true…I can assure you…..it is.

]]> Comment on The ‘Wellywood’ sign: people power gets things done by Jack Yan http://jackyan.com/blog/2010/03/the-wellywood-sign-people-power-gets-things-done/comment-page-1/#comment-547 Jack Yan Wed, 10 Mar 2010 07:38:51 +0000 http://jackyan.com/blog/?p=322#comment-547 Nick, good call. True, I considered this and what it meant to the campaign—especially with my opposition last year on s. 92A and s. 92C which, as we know, was the result of American copyright lobbyists. And yes, I considered that I would piss some people off.    My defence is that I thought: if someone was ripping Wellington off, would I want a chance to defend it? And if I were defending it, would I get lawyers on it? Sad to say, but the answer to both is yes.    The first thing I thought of was this: if we hate this Wellywood sign, then I am going to use what tools I have at my disposal to say do our bidding, which is exactly what you’d expect someone to do for your own causes.    Because all the other avenues—e.g. fighting based on resource consents—were unlikely, in my judgement, to do much at all. I also weighed up many of the threats, albeit many made in jest, about vandalism and arson toward this sign.    This isn’t really the ‘American copyright police’, as no such thing exists, but you already knew that. At the end of the day the joint owner of the Hollywood sign is a local chamber of commerce that reps mostly everyday people who work there, not big corporates.    The reality is that some letters will be written by the suits, the Airport might back down, I find myself done for excess baggage on every flight in retaliation for the next year, and this won’t even reach the courts. The sign-makers get their consultancy and design paid out, and we don’t waste time and resources on something that the majority of Wellingtonians object to. Nick, good call. True, I considered this and what it meant to the campaign—especially with my opposition last year on s. 92A and s. 92C which, as we know, was the result of American copyright lobbyists. And yes, I considered that I would piss some people off.
   My defence is that I thought: if someone was ripping Wellington off, would I want a chance to defend it? And if I were defending it, would I get lawyers on it? Sad to say, but the answer to both is yes.
   The first thing I thought of was this: if we hate this Wellywood sign, then I am going to use what tools I have at my disposal to say do our bidding, which is exactly what you’d expect someone to do for your own causes.
   Because all the other avenues—e.g. fighting based on resource consents—were unlikely, in my judgement, to do much at all. I also weighed up many of the threats, albeit many made in jest, about vandalism and arson toward this sign.
   This isn’t really the ‘American copyright police’, as no such thing exists, but you already knew that. At the end of the day the joint owner of the Hollywood sign is a local chamber of commerce that reps mostly everyday people who work there, not big corporates.
   The reality is that some letters will be written by the suits, the Airport might back down, I find myself done for excess baggage on every flight in retaliation for the next year, and this won’t even reach the courts. The sign-makers get their consultancy and design paid out, and we don’t waste time and resources on something that the majority of Wellingtonians object to.

]]> Comment on The ‘Wellywood’ sign: people power gets things done by Nick Taylor http://jackyan.com/blog/2010/03/the-wellywood-sign-people-power-gets-things-done/comment-page-1/#comment-545 Nick Taylor Wed, 10 Mar 2010 07:16:35 +0000 http://jackyan.com/blog/?p=322#comment-545 Erm... that's not creative, or people power. What you've done is grassed up the sign-makers to the American copyright police... you know. A corporate. An elite. That's about as far away from people-power or creativity as you can possibly get. Erm… that’s not creative, or people power.

What you’ve done is grassed up the sign-makers to the American copyright police… you know. A corporate. An elite.

That’s about as far away from people-power or creativity as you can possibly get.

]]> Comment on Jailed Minnesota Toyota owner may get retrial by Bryan http://jackyan.com/blog/2010/02/jailed-minnesota-toyota-owner-may-get-retrial/comment-page-1/#comment-535 Bryan Tue, 09 Mar 2010 16:15:52 +0000 http://jackyan.com/blog/?p=287#comment-535 I really hpe this man sees justice! I really hpe this man sees justice!

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